rickrolling

On triggers

content warning: This is my response to someone who is offended by the idea that anyone could possibly be triggered by rickrolling

ohfuckimadeablog:

realsocialskills:

kind of curious as of to why you’re not sure rickrolling is ok in any case, if you don’t mind talking about it without being sure about it
realsocialskills said:
You never know what’s triggering to other people.
Rickrolling…

ohfuckimadeablog said:

Holy fucking shit people

Poe’s Law in action

Rickrolling is a trigger

realsocialskills said:

That post wasn’t really specifically about rickrolling. There’s nothing specifically awful about that song. 

The thing is, there doesn’t need to be something specifically awful about something for it to be triggering. Triggers aren’t reasonable, and they’re not always things like rape or violence.

Sometimes, a trigger is something like: a harmless rock song you used to listen to after abuse to calm yourself down. Sometimes hearing that song can take you back to that state of panic and fear. Not because there’s anything at all wrong with the song, just because you have that association. That’s a common kind of trigger.

For most people, rickrolling is harmless. But for people who are triggered by that particular song, being tricked, unexpected music, unexpected human voices, or sounds coming out of their computer they didn’t play on purpose, rickrolling is not harmless.

Rickrolling friends is one thing. That’s often totally fine, although it depends on the friend. But if you put a public rickroll bait on the internet where it’s likely to be seen by a lot of people, you run the risk of tricking someone into clicking it who really, really shouldn’t click it.

Depending on which corner of the internet you’re posting on, the risk might not be very high, since it’s not a particularly common trigger. But the value of rickrolling isn’t very high either. I don’t think much is lost by avoiding it.

Basically, I don’t think it’s right to trick people for fun unless you can be reasonably sure that they will also think it’s fun. And one reason it’s better to err on the side of not tricking people is that for some people, there’s more at stake than avoiding a brief moment of annoyance.

waterloggedtomorrow:

realsocialskills:

Hello, I am usually triggered by unexpected music & the rickroll song in particular is very bad for me. Thank you for pointing out that rickrolling is a harmful prank — I’ve been considering whether I’ll have to stay off tumblr around April Fool’s because so many people are pushing it as harmless, fun, and not something that needs to be tagged.

waterloggedtomorrow said:

Also, I don’t know that this person will see this, but the thing about rickrolls is that they’re not going to be on your dash, right? They’re going to be links you’ll have to click on. And what we have now that we didn’t really in 2007 is the thing at the bottom of your browser that pops up to tell you where a link goes. And obviously you can’t tell whether or not the link is to that video in particular, but if it goes to a youtube video, don’t click it! Probably even if it’s not a rickroll, because youtube videos play automatically when you open the tab, and if you have an issue with unexpected music. I hope that helps maybe?

realsocialskills said:

That can help some people, but it doesn’t entirely solve the problem because:

  • There are a lot of different videos, and people who don’t want to watch songs still often do want to watch other things
  • Eg: videos demonstrating makeup, videos explaining stuff
  • People who want to avoid unexpected invasive music should still be able to watch that kind of video
  • Also, the thing about links is easily circumvented by using URL shorteners, and people who want to trick others into clicking something they don’t want to click are generally not above concealing the URL
  • And there are contexts, like Twitter, on which virtually *all* URLs are shortened

Basically, just, don’t trick people unless you know them and are reasonably sure that they would appreciate being tricked.

slashmarks:

realsocialskills:

whirling-ghost:

realsocialskills:

kind of curious as of to why you’re not sure rickrolling is ok in any case, if you don’t mind talking about it without being sure about it
realsocialskills said:
You never know what’s triggering to other people.
Rickrolling involves tricking someone into watching a video they otherwise would not have watched. When you trick someone into seeing something they wouldn’t have seen on purpose, you’re taking away some of their defenses against exposing themselves to triggering material.
In addition, some people find being tricked inherently triggering or otherwise unsettling.
I think rickrolling is ok between friends who you know are ok with that kind of thing, but that it’s probably not such a good thing to do publicly.

whirling-ghost: said:

I think rickrolling someone is a million times better than linking them to a screamer or somthing that’s much worse. I know it’s still not good but April Fool’s day is generally a day of trickery and rickrolling is quite low on the scale of tricks you can pull

realsocialskills said:

I agree that rickrolling is a million times better than linking to a screamer.

I just think that pranks should only be played on willing participants. 

slashmarks said:
Honestly, I’d rather be linked to a screamer than rickrolled. Screamers startle you, but human voices going on continually while you tab-hunt — awful. (This is why I keep my audio off). And “trickery” is not an obligation. No one is going around fining people who do not participate in April Fool’s Day. You are supposedly a self-aware person with control over your actions; if you can’t think of a trick that won’t hurt anyone, don’t. Pull. One.

Hello, I am usually triggered by unexpected music & the rickroll song in particular is very bad for me. Thank you for pointing out that rickrolling is a harmful prank – I’ve been considering whether I’ll have to stay off tumblr around April Fool’s because so many people are pushing it as harmless, fun, and not something that needs to be tagged.

whirling-ghost:

realsocialskills:

kind of curious as of to why you’re not sure rickrolling is ok in any case, if you don’t mind talking about it without being sure about it
realsocialskills said:
You never know what’s triggering to other people.
Rickrolling involves tricking someone into watching a video they otherwise would not have watched. When you trick someone into seeing something they wouldn’t have seen on purpose, you’re taking away some of their defenses against exposing themselves to triggering material.
In addition, some people find being tricked inherently triggering or otherwise unsettling.
I think rickrolling is ok between friends who you know are ok with that kind of thing, but that it’s probably not such a good thing to do publicly.

whirling-ghost: said:

I think rickrolling someone is a million times better than linking them to a screamer or somthing that’s much worse. I know it’s still not good but April Fool’s day is generally a day of trickery and rickrolling is quite low on the scale of tricks you can pull

realsocialskills said:

I agree that rickrolling is a million times better than linking to a screamer.

I just think that pranks should only be played on willing participants. 

toiletdemon:

sofuckingblue:

hey i keep seeing those april fools bad joke awareness posts going around and most of them suggest rickrolling as a good alternative to screamers or other potentially problematic pranks

RICKROLLING IS NOT A GOOD BLANKET SUGGESTION FOR AN ALTERNATIVE

if you are sending…

toiletdemon said:

Also in most browsers you can just hover over a link to display the URL, so unless you’ve set up a redirect (& if you’re going to go to all that trouble you may as well do something more complex than a rickroll) you’ve not really fooled anyone. 0/10.

realsocialskills said:

The problem with that is that a lot of people do not know that is possible or aren’t wary, and still end up seeing something they didn’t want to see. The fact that it is technically possible for a wary person to avoid being tricked doesn’t mean it’s ok to try to trick people who don’t want to be tricked.

kind of curious as of to why you’re not sure rickrolling is ok in any case, if you don’t mind talking about it without being sure about it
realsocialskills said:
You never know what’s triggering to other people.
Rickrolling involves tricking someone into watching a video they otherwise would not have watched. When you trick someone into seeing something they wouldn’t have seen on purpose, you’re taking away some of their defenses against exposing themselves to triggering material.
In addition, some people find being tricked inherently triggering or otherwise unsettling.
I think rickrolling is ok between friends who you know are ok with that kind of thing, but that it’s probably not such a good thing to do publicly.

sofuckingblue:

hey i keep seeing those april fools bad joke awareness posts going around and most of them suggest rickrolling as a good alternative to screamers or other potentially problematic pranks

RICKROLLING IS NOT A GOOD BLANKET SUGGESTION FOR AN ALTERNATIVE

if you are sending someone a link and you inform them that it is actually audio/video, but trick them into thinking its something other than rick astley: fine, great. thats a good prank!

if you are claiming to link to a website that is text/static image-based and you send someone to a VIDEO with POTENTIALLY LOUD NOISES, THIS IS BAD AND A BAD PRANK TO DO.

MANY disabled and/or neurotypical people have heightened startle reflexes and/or may be triggered when they are confronted by sudden noise/video that they are not expecting. some people find it EXTREMELY difficult to process sound/movement they are not prepared for, and while it may not freak them out to the level a screamer would, it is still very unpleasant and unneccessary!

again: IF YOU ARE GOING TO RICKROLL SOMEONE, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO SPECIFY THAT IT IS A LINK TO A VIDEO

your friends and followers will thank you!

realsocialskills said:

I’m not sure that I think rickrolling is ok in any case, but I definitely agree that it’s not ok to rickroll when someone is expecting text or a static image.